joe biden and president obama or ryan and romney? >>shepard: but don't you think people want specifics? >>guest: what they --. >>shepard: you are saying you will not mess with the deficit but you are not adding more tax money. if you don't add more money, how does it work? explain that. >>guest: those details are talked about. >> stimulating the economy, the president has not laid out his plan and they are saying, why doesn't governor romney lay out his plan. he has done it over and over and over again. >> he talked about cutting big bird. >> i would rather be on the side of momentum. >> if you are driving across the country and you say you will do it in 15 years can you not do that unless you speed. that is what mitt romney is saying. >>shepard: they both say they will fix this but neither has told us how. it stands to reason that the american people would go, you should tell us how but they are not going to. >>guest: i think we will hear it from the vice president. >> i would love to hear the details. >>shepard: all right guys, joh